This episode is brought to you by Nightwing, a U.S. national security and intelligence services company that specializes in cybersecurity, electronic warfare, systems integration, and software modernization.
When the longtime director of the National Reconnaissance Office was asked what kept him up at night, his answer wasn’t anti-satellite missiles or lasers. It was cyber. And his worry wasn’t someone hacking a spacecraft. It was someone getting into the ground networks and taking down the mission. Now that frontier AI models can find and exploit vulnerabilities in hours, that threat is moving much faster than the Pentagon’s patch cycle.
Joe Mazur of Nightwing joins Valley of Depth to talk about where space systems are actually exposed and what defending them looks like when attacks move at machine speed.
We also cover:
- Why the ground segment, not the satellite, is usually the biggest vulnerability
- What the Viasat hack at the start of the Russia-Ukraine war revealed about commercial satellites becoming military targets
- Whether proliferated constellations are more survivable or just vulnerable in a different way
- How frontier AI labs fit into defense cyber, and whether to partner with them or compete
- What a “space Pearl Harbor” could look like for everyday Americans, from GPS to banking to gas pumps
…and much more.
• Chapters •
00:00 – Trailer
00:58 – Intro
01:40 – Cybersecurity awareness month
02:56 – Is there an explosion of cybersecurity risks and why?
03:54 – Nightwing
06:43 – How cyber has evolved over Joe’s career
09:22 – Impact of Russia’s attack on a Viasat satellite
10:38 – Whoever owns the ground station owns the satellite — so why is it an afterthought?
12:47 – Is the proliferation architecture more survivable or vulnerable in a completely different way?
14:24 – Who is checking on the cyber architecture of defense startups?
16:47 – Can you patch a satellite already in orbit?
17:55 – Is cyber being designed into Golden Dome the right way?
18:56 – Has cyber been treated as a back office IT function for too long?
20:14 – Who defends a Space Force satellite today?
21:26 – Does the US need a separate cyber force?
22:11 – Talent in cyber
25:42 – The timeline for buying cyber capabilities
27:30 – Frontier AI labs and their impact on the cyber landscape
29:54 – Frontier labs as a cyber partner
30:45 – Nightwing from Raytheon to Blackstone
31:58 – How the first space conflict will look like
36:31 – Common cyber perspectives that are wrong
38:34 – Nightwing’s future product set that Joe is excited about
39:46 – What does Joe do for fun?
• Show notes •
This episode is brought to you by Nightwing, a U.S. national security and intelligence services company that specializes in cybersecurity, electronic warfare, systems integration, and software modernization.
Nightwing’s website — https://nightwing.com/
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• About us •
Valley of Depth is a podcast about the technologies reshaping industry, national security, and the global balance of power.
Brought to you by Arkaea Media, the team behind Payload, Tectonic, Ignition, and Decoding Bio, the show covers space, defense, energy, biotech, and the technologies shaping what comes next.
We sit down with founders, investors, government officials, scientists, and military leaders to understand what they’re building, why it matters, and where these industries are headed. From new companies and breakthrough technologies to capital, policy, and geopolitics, Valley of Depth goes deep on the forces shaping the future.
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